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waider ([personal profile] waider) wrote2007-05-24 11:25 pm
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Did Not Fail Civics 101

I correctly explained our electoral system (Single Transferable Vote Proportional Representation) to a coworker at lunchtime today. However, I refused to do so again as I surmised that I'd get it wrong the second time.

Then you might be able to help.

[identity profile] mopti.livejournal.com 2007-05-25 07:13 am (UTC)(link)
When somebody comes to exceed the quota by receiving transfers (i.e. not on the first count), and their surplus comes to be transfered on, what do they do?

Do they
(a) simply make a parcel of the correct by taking ballot papers from the top of those that were transfered in or
(b) sort that last parcel that was transfered in according to the next available and elgible preference and transfer votes from each sub-pile in proportion to is size?
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Re: Then you might be able to help.

[identity profile] waider.livejournal.com 2007-05-25 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
This is quite possibly covered on the Wikipedia page on Single Transferable Vote, but my understanding of it is that the transfers are a random selection from the elected representative's votes.
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Re: Then you might be able to help.

[identity profile] waider.livejournal.com 2007-05-25 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Here we are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meek%27s_method#Hare.27s_method

The surplus is pulled randomly from the previous batch of transfers.

[identity profile] mopti.livejournal.com 2007-05-25 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
And did you include a reference to Arrow's Theorem?

Re: Then you might be able to help.

[identity profile] mopti.livejournal.com 2007-05-25 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Unless I have missed something, it doesn't clarify which system is used here.
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Re: Then you might be able to help.

[identity profile] waider.livejournal.com 2007-05-25 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you missed something, yes.

Hare's method...It is used in all universal suffrage elections in the Republic of Ireland.


and for completeness

Another method is known variously as the Senatorial rules (after its use for most seats in Irish Senate elections), or the Gregory method

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[identity profile] waider.livejournal.com 2007-05-25 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
You should've linked that. I can't recall what the hell Arrow's Theorem might even be. You seem to have mistaken me for a mathematician...

[identity profile] mopti.livejournal.com 2007-05-29 12:01 pm (UTC)(link)
A colleague, commenting on the number of close relatives in the Dáil (the Lenihan boys and their Aunty Mary; the Kitt brothers and their sister Anne, the two Lynches in Cork; Bertie and his brother; the Enright-McHugh husband and wife team) said we should change the name of the voting method to Sexually Transmitted Voting.